evolution also is bad

The Theory of Evolution is just that...a theory. It has not been proven. There are too many "missing links" in the evolutionary chain, and the fossil evidence is sorely lacking.

If evolution really took place over millions of years, as evolutionists say, there is no way to recreate it in a lab to prove it. Not only that, but the environmental conditions would have had to have been just perfect for life to evolve, and how do we know what the conditions were so many millions of years ago? Apparently, the conditions to sustain life are the conditions that exist today....the conditions that God created for us to live in.

Not all scientists believe in evolution, although the evolutionists would have you believe so. I would encourage you to google Richard Dawkins/John Lennox debate. It's very eye-opening. Lennox does a great job in laying out the logical argument for the existence of God. He pretty much wipes the floor with Dawkins.

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If we remember from science classes, from my understanding, we first develop a hypothesis that spells out the question of what we think is happening and then do the science experiment to see if our hypothesis is true or not. Only once you have found your hypothesis is true from your experiment, can you say it is a theory. Then others must be able to do the same experiment and come up with the same or similar result, then the theory becomes stronger. Since it would be quite difficult, if not next to impossible to do scientific experiments on the the issue of evolution, then it cannot possibly be a theory. Am I wrong?

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I don't know. It's called the Theory of Evolution, so I just assumed that it was a theory. I'm not sure how it graduated from a hypothesis to a theory, but I assume there was something, or else they wouldn't be able to call it a theory. I could be wrong, though

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Well then it's only a hypothesis, because there's NO WAY they can prove any truth to evolution! Let God's Word be true and every man a liar!

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I think they just have the audacity to call it a theory, forgetting their own definition of what defines a theory. I need to research it, but honestly don't know if I will cuz it's not high on my priority list right now. But my two cents is it's not a theory cuz they haven't/cannot prove it. But we believers know the truth, as it is written in the word of God. God created the earth and all that is in it. He created man in His/their image, we did not come from monkeys! Although we may act like it...but that's another story, hee.

"Do not fear, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are Mine!...I am the Lord, your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior;...You are precious and honored in my eyes, and I love you...do not be afraid, for I am with you." (Is.43:4-5)

Indeed how can they prove evolution. God's word is truth!

"Do not fear, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are Mine!...I am the Lord, your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior;...You are precious and honored in my eyes, and I love you...do not be afraid, for I am with you." (Is.43:4-5)

Actually, that is exactly why it's still a theory, and not a law -- because they cannot prove it.

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I would have to state that I do not believe we Evolved from the monkeys at all. But, as an amateur geology student, I do not see how believing in an old earth has conflict. If we were to take the genisis record litterally in the days of creation, we would have to believe the stars(including our sun)would have not been created until day 4. Many of theese stars are thousands, to millions of lightyears away. At the speed of Light, one could go around the earth seven times a second! As far as earth ages go, Plate techtonics theory is an established fact which is obserbvable today. It is a fact that all of the earth's continents were connected, crashed into one another, and seperated again, several times even.

There is a video put out by the creation institute entitled "Creation or Evolution". All I am saying is that many Christians have different views about things of this nature, but they still love God none the less. One may reason that either one, are either correct, or wrong, but I would venture to say that maybe our understandings, or even I, could be wrong...But I am not so sure this is a appropriate place to discuss all this-Lol

I have learned long ago that it is better to nat make assumptions that everyone believes the exact same things we do. Even Christians dissagree with one another, but the Baptist loves God just as much as the Pentacostal one does, but differently. Just an example. I think God gives us the intelligence, curriossity, and freedom to explore and discover things about the world around us, and hopefully that brings us closer to God.:)

The theory of evolution, that human beings "evolved," is completely counteractive to the Biblical account. According to Gen. 2:7, God literally formed man from dust and breathed into him. This does not indicate any sort of evolutionary activity, and shows that God's hand was directly involved in man's creation.

The interesting thing about Darwin is that he was not actually a biologist, but a geologist...and many of the conclusions that he came to based on geological observation have actually proven to be incorrect. If Darwin was incorrect about geological formation, then what else could he have been incorrect about?

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You know something...I am definitely not a smart woman, but I do know that evolution is a lie. So, they say this little ball of whatever evolved out of nothing (hmmm evolved out of nothing...hmmm)...and was flying around minding it's own biz wax...then one day it decided to explode (we don't know why)...then the little ball of whatevers guts picked their place and made everything we see today! Yeaaaa...I don't buy that for one second. It sounds ridiculous

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I am sorry for missinformation. It is the Discovery institute that put out that video "Creation or Evolution". The Discovery institute is based out of Seattle. Regardless about what we all believe about the age of the Eath or Universe, and how we interperate the Bible, I think we can all agree upon the premis of Intelligent Design. Michael Behe of the Discovery Institute was the one who had discovered the irredducable complexity of the simple cell and the E-coli bacteria, wich is like a complete high tech machine many centuries beyond anything we can never create in a lab. If one part of the cell, or bacterium were not in place, there would be no function there, and natural selection would nazturally illiminate the mutation of that thing, weather a cell, bacterium, or animal. Ben Stein's movie Expelled does a good job at showing how intelligent design is kept out of the scientific establishments and highly sencored.

As Far as Evolution goes, it depends which kind we are talking about. Different breeds of dogs, cats, or orchads(flowers) for example are a product of Micro Evolution, wich is directed through natural, or artificial selection. But, each kind of animal, or plant can only form Charles Darwin did not, however, have any idea of the complexity of the simple cell, and bacterium. Therefore, he made the leap of faith that natural selection, and mutation created entirely new animals and life forms, that all life on earth came from a single cell organism. This is called MACRO evolution. MACRO evolution can never be recreated, and therefore cannot be true whatsoever. Experiments were tried with fruit flies in the 1960's to produce deformaties in them, then re-breed them again and again. It is like having a deck of cards. You can only work within a spescies based upon the genetic signiture within the deck of cards in an animal's DNA. Anytime you have deformaties in a spescies, the next generation will either die, or the mutation would eliminate itself(both effects of natural selection). As far as variety within a spescies, you are actually taking away cards from the deck. But if all the worlds dogs were free, and in one place to procreate, the small poodles and chuauas...would die off and the rest of the dogs would eventualy merge back into that origional deck of cards after so many generations. Dogs are still dogs, and Cats are still cats.

MACRO Evolution=false, unprovable and impossible theory.
Micro Evolution=true. We can abserbv it either in variety of spescies, of in the deadly mutations of pandemic(deadly universal) viruses.

I cannot state my position strong enough. God gave us a mind and a desire to explore. But, the Bible is about mankind and his need for a savior, Jesus Christ. The Bible can tell me that God created the heavens and the eath, and all that is in it, wich one would have to at least believe that bare minimum. Even old earth creationism believes that... The creation Can testify that there is a God, but only spescial revelation of Jesus Christ can only come through the hearing of the Bible. I think God allows us liberty to eploree and ask our own questions.

Allen

That reply is hilarious.

Indeed. How did the little ball of whatevers (too cute) do that all by themselves?

A pastor mocked the theory of evolution this way: "Try parking two Porsches next to each other in a garage. I guarantee you that you will never go out one day to discover a baby Porsche sitting there."

Someone else said to me: "Yeah, try throwing a heap of scrap metal down a hill and seeing if it walks back up the hill as a Rolex watch!"

ha!

I hope everybody's having a good night/day - whichever side of this big blue bowling ball you're on!

I agree, Allen and Gina;

The theory of evolution has so many inherent and unexplainable flaws. First of all, it doesn't explain how male and female genders arose. Secondly, for evolution to take place, just the right conditions had to have been present. The earth was evolving, also, and the conditions were more than likely ever-changing...not static. So, how is it possible for just the right conditions to exist over thousands and thousands of years in order for evolution to take place?

Since evolution depends so much on just the right environmental conditions, I would think that natural selection and ever-changing environment would have nipped evolution in the bud. It wouldn't have even been allowed to progress.

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Right, Beloved. I never thought of the fact that it doesn't explain how male and female genders arose until you said that. That's cool.

And yes, the evolutionists' argument that things and people evolved falls flat on its face when we consider that they can't possibly know what those exact and precise environmental conditions would have to be since they've never witnessed those exact, precise conditions. Though, I believe that's what they're trying to figure out with the Large Hadron Collider. (Someone's non-taxed dollars hard at work. hehe)

It is really good and gives a great biochemical refutation of evolution as scientifically illogical. Great for showing the errors in evolution.

However, belief in evolution is usually because our college professors teach it and they know so much more than a freshman and we have no reason to doubt them. We can't intellectially prove them wrong. So many Christians end up believing in a theistic evolution...

Behe is a serious scientist and that makes the book worth a read, it gives you the science to refute the evolutionary apologetics.

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The problem is, they teach it as fact when it has not been proven. The truth is, the fossil record is incomplete, and everytime they unleash some new "missing link" which supposedly will solve all of our problems in understanding evolution, it turns out to be the skeletal remains of just the same old stuff we've been looking at for years.

The fact is, they will never be able to prove large-scale macroevolution, because evolution never happened, and God's word is the truth.

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This is/was a major battlefield in my mind. I've dug into it and came to the following conclusion;

No matter how much or little evolution we observe today, it doesn't tell anything about the beginning thereof. Even if we could look over the next millions of years and observe some creatures develop into full grown humans, then STILL it doesn't say anything about the beginning. It doesn't prove that that's the way we got here.

About all the evidence for, or against evolution;

It's all about faith. Creationists and evolutionists observe the same data, but draw different conclusions. Why? Because they're predisposed to certain beliefs. If an evolutionist finds a fossil that shouldn't be there that contradicts the theory, he will not discard the theory. He'll think of some theory about how it got there, so he doesn't have to change his beliefs.
The same goes for (christian) creationists. If there are things in the world that seem to contradict the creation theory, the theory won't be left behind, but the data will be made to fit it.
This hasn't got anything to do with one party rejecting the truth and denying reality (which both sides call the other; "reality denialists"), but it has everything to do with your faith. Either your faith in God and the Bible, or your faith in the non-existence of God and your faith in what smart people who agree with you tell you.

The difference is though, that evolutionists often claim to only use their science. In the case of problems within their theory they are in fact the ones who will have to be dishonest. They will have to abandon their science when the data contradict the theory and dance around the facts to make them fit. However, christians will (hopefully) proudly admit they put faith in God and the Bible, and when data seems to contradict the creation-theory, we at least have bigger things in mind. It may be just as dishonest for christians to dance around data, but we have faith that God is Truth and that the Bible is true, which is a far better and nobler reason to "deny reality" (NB! not literally) than it is for the evolutionist to deny reality out of faith in what certain people (not God) tell him or out of worship of his own mind. Plus, it's rare that an evolutionist (the atheist ones) will face the reality that the only thing holding his theory together is faith, while we, as christians, celebrate in that faith.

In different words; To make the step from the data to a conclusion (looking at the world and saying creationism or evolution is true) you are using faith, without exception. For some, that faith is mostly denied, and for others it is ALL ABOUT that faith. In fact, we are saved by it. I sure know which I prefer.

Allen mentioned the distant starlight issue. I'd like to comment.
This very issue was a real threat to my honest christian faith.
Until I started to think clearly (no offense).
It's a great way for your brain to get around things (certainly things of God) by thinking about the opposites. Imagine: God created the stars and had to say "oh no, light only goes x mph, now i have to wait millions of years before it reaches the earth!!". To me that's so silly that it allows for me to realize that God created the stars to be seen (otherwise, what's the purpose?), and God is not a slave of His creation, so therefore it was all within His miraculous omnipotence to create the stars in a way that they were seen. I always found the idea of God creating the light beams halfway along the way a bit silly, but as you look at the situation it makes perfect sense to me.
Just like God didn't create natural processes to slowly evolve humans out of one celled organisms and had to wait millions of years 'till Adam and Eve were there. He created Adam and Eve fully grown. He created the stars fully seen