It's a destroyer among many other destroyers - that's true, and I thank God that He's raising up people like Shelley. She's doing a mighty work. I'm fascinated by it. I had no idea what went on behind the scenes in porn, and admittedly, I looked down the pornographers, but not any more. I mean, someone like me who was never in the industry and who never went through half of what she's been through would have a hard time convincing anyone that God loves them and will do a mighty work in them. God did a mighty work in Shelley, and there's the proof -- God loves you! I'm so in awe of her, and I know that it is God working through her, and so it is actually God that I'm in awe of.

The things God can do with clay. He's amazing. It thrills me, Ben.

It's good that you're here. God bless you and keep you.