And there is that verse that christians love to quote that peeves me:
"And Paul says, Forgetting those things that are behind and reaching forth unto that which are before."
Don't they even realize that when you have been abused and mistreated that you can't "forget those things that are behind"?? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. I think the best information that I have read that stays away from the worldly psychology teachings is from Koinoinia House ministry by Chuck and Nancy Missler. I really do like their stuff. Nancy Missler has written several books, one of which is called, "Be Ye Transformed", which is specifically about transforming our minds. I've included the section of the article that talks about what she calls the hidden chambers of our hearts where our painful memories are stored, she goes into this issue biblically and how to deal with it biblically.
I do believe she has the best information of all of the christian material I have read regarding the issue of healing from past hurts while explaining why we should stay away from visualizations and guided imagery and hypnosis and even psychology counseling. She says that God Himself will give us healing in His way, His timing...that is the hard part!
Blessings,
Tonya
"Do not fear, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are Mine!...I am the Lord, your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior;...You are precious and honored in my eyes, and I love you...do not be afraid, for I am with you." (Is.43:4-5)
"why we should stay away from visualizations and guided imagery and hypnosis and even psychology counseling. She says that God Himself will give us healing in His way, His timing...that is the hard part!"
Good point and very true. I have some healed immediatly and some healed over a period of time, but people are healed if they stay with it. Not sure if anyone as read "The Balm of Gilead" by Yomans I think? It is a good book about healing.
I want to also add it also depends on the teaching one is under or church one goes to. Today there are some 20,000 sects of Christianity all claiming their brand is the truth? Rolls eyes, Go figure, huh?
Sarah
God does have a plan for everyone and everyone is called to be a part of ministry somewhere. All jobs in ministry are important as it is designed by God to be a servant and save lives. God gave us so much, but how much do we give Him in return?
I had a therapist who wanted to do something I had never heard of. Something related to rapid eye movement therapy. I was supposed to hold some type of device in my hands that basically give me light shocks at certain times when the therapist has me talking about my memories. Supposedly it is supposed to help the brain process the traumatic, painful memories differently so that it won't be so upsetting. While it doesn't sound bad from a human perspective, it just boils down to relying on man's wisdom, man's way instead of God's answer thru Jesus. God sent Jesus to bind up the broken-hearted. So why do we need mild electro-shock treatments, etc.?
Anyway, there seems to be something inside of us that causes us to push questionable things away. Perhaps the Holy Spirit's work, trying to keep us from things that are ungodly and may well bring us into more bondage, instead of healing. Into purity with God's ways. Trusting Him, waiting on Him...ughhh....(the waiting part)
"Do not fear, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are Mine!...I am the Lord, your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior;...You are precious and honored in my eyes, and I love you...do not be afraid, for I am with you." (Is.43:4-5)
In the counseling that I do and have done in the past, I seek the Holy Spirit for what He wants to accomplish. In other words its a healing that takes through the spirit and from the spirit goes to the mind. If all problems are spiritual in nature as we do not deal with the flesh, but with powers and principalites, then the probelm is there and not in the persons mind. The person maybe very well experiencing things in the mind, but that is not the root of the problem and the only way to deal with any spiritual problem is in the spirit realm.
Ok I hope that made sense,
Sarah
God does have a plan for everyone and everyone is called to be a part of ministry somewhere. All jobs in ministry are important as it is designed by God to be a servant and save lives. God gave us so much, but how much do we give Him in return?
I found that website too and wondered about it. I have mixed feelings and have stayed away so far. I'm still unclear about the whole healing from wounds of the past issue. I've tried to go to counseling off and on since I was a teenager, and just have not stuck with it. It seems there are things that keep getting in the way of me using counseling, christian or secular, to get my healing. I've been quite frustrated and stressed about it. Nothing seems to open up as an option for me. So I feel forced to wait on God.
I do think we need to be careful about the different types of so called christian counseling/healing methods. Particularly if they are using guided imagery, visualizations, and such. I'm leery of those things. I know that Jesus said He came to fulfill Isaiah 61...to bind up the broken hearted and set captives free (Luke 4:18-21). The Bible is not clear about the issue of abuse and trauma from childhood affecting us into adulthood, not like we have learned about it now.
There are those in the christian church who believe that once you are saved, "old things passed away, all things become new" and that the past is part of the stuff that is passed away, and frankly, I find myself quite peeved when they quote that. I think that scripture is taken out of context, particularly when talking about wounds of the heart from past abuse/trauma. But I still have much to learn since I have not received my healing yet, although some insist that I have...ugh. I'm waiting on God.
"Do not fear, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are Mine!...I am the Lord, your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior;...You are precious and honored in my eyes, and I love you...do not be afraid, for I am with you." (Is.43:4-5)
I'm struggling with my past as well. I taken medication for my mental state. I have been to rehab for a mental evaluation. Seem's the more i search, the more thing's get harder for me. Although, i know that i know that i know that there is a God, i continue to hold on to that hope. My wound's are still healing from alot of damage that has been done to me. I don't blame everyone, as i am to blame as well for my hurt. I don't consider myself as a christian as i once did. I prefer the word "Spiritual". I have however learn so many things through people. And when all else fails? My joy, are kids'. I love kids, always have and always will. I don't have kids' of my own though. Hmmmmm, sometimes i wish i was a kid again.Honestly, i don't ask for much. I find the lil things to matter the most. Tell you this much, i will stand my ground about my past and my healing. Some reason i feel like i need to defend that. Anyhoo, i just needed to vent a lil.
Theophostic techniques involve visualizing yourself reliving the things that have happened, but also seeing the presence of God. They have been around for a long long time. They help a lot of people and are used by many Christian counselors.
That this person claims to have trademarked the term and is trying to monetize it is highly disturbing. I think the temple is infested with moneychangers again :(
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The Berean Call did an exposition on this.
http://www.thebereancall.org/node/1937
I accidentally posted the same post twice! I can't delete the second one!
And there is that verse that christians love to quote that peeves me:
"And Paul says, Forgetting those things that are behind and reaching forth unto that which are before."
Don't they even realize that when you have been abused and mistreated that you can't "forget those things that are behind"?? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. I think the best information that I have read that stays away from the worldly psychology teachings is from Koinoinia House ministry by Chuck and Nancy Missler. I really do like their stuff. Nancy Missler has written several books, one of which is called, "Be Ye Transformed", which is specifically about transforming our minds. I've included the section of the article that talks about what she calls the hidden chambers of our hearts where our painful memories are stored, she goes into this issue biblically and how to deal with it biblically.
www.khouse.org/articles/1997/7/ (talks about hidden chambers of our hearts)
www.khouse.org/articles_cat/2009/nanscorner/beyetransformed/ (whole listing of each chapter she summarizes for book, "Be Ye Transformed")
I do believe she has the best information of all of the christian material I have read regarding the issue of healing from past hurts while explaining why we should stay away from visualizations and guided imagery and hypnosis and even psychology counseling. She says that God Himself will give us healing in His way, His timing...that is the hard part!
Blessings,
Tonya
"Do not fear, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are Mine!...I am the Lord, your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior;...You are precious and honored in my eyes, and I love you...do not be afraid, for I am with you." (Is.43:4-5)
"why we should stay away from visualizations and guided imagery and hypnosis and even psychology counseling. She says that God Himself will give us healing in His way, His timing...that is the hard part!"
Good point and very true. I have some healed immediatly and some healed over a period of time, but people are healed if they stay with it. Not sure if anyone as read "The Balm of Gilead" by Yomans I think? It is a good book about healing.
I want to also add it also depends on the teaching one is under or church one goes to. Today there are some 20,000 sects of Christianity all claiming their brand is the truth? Rolls eyes, Go figure, huh?
Sarah
God does have a plan for everyone and everyone is called to be a part of ministry somewhere. All jobs in ministry are important as it is designed by God to be a servant and save lives. God gave us so much, but how much do we give Him in return?
That's another reason I'm not going back to that therapist, she wanted to do guided imagery w/me, no thanxs!
I had a therapist who wanted to do something I had never heard of. Something related to rapid eye movement therapy. I was supposed to hold some type of device in my hands that basically give me light shocks at certain times when the therapist has me talking about my memories. Supposedly it is supposed to help the brain process the traumatic, painful memories differently so that it won't be so upsetting. While it doesn't sound bad from a human perspective, it just boils down to relying on man's wisdom, man's way instead of God's answer thru Jesus. God sent Jesus to bind up the broken-hearted. So why do we need mild electro-shock treatments, etc.?
Anyway, there seems to be something inside of us that causes us to push questionable things away. Perhaps the Holy Spirit's work, trying to keep us from things that are ungodly and may well bring us into more bondage, instead of healing. Into purity with God's ways. Trusting Him, waiting on Him...ughhh....(the waiting part)
"Do not fear, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are Mine!...I am the Lord, your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior;...You are precious and honored in my eyes, and I love you...do not be afraid, for I am with you." (Is.43:4-5)
In the counseling that I do and have done in the past, I seek the Holy Spirit for what He wants to accomplish. In other words its a healing that takes through the spirit and from the spirit goes to the mind. If all problems are spiritual in nature as we do not deal with the flesh, but with powers and principalites, then the probelm is there and not in the persons mind. The person maybe very well experiencing things in the mind, but that is not the root of the problem and the only way to deal with any spiritual problem is in the spirit realm.
Ok I hope that made sense,
Sarah
God does have a plan for everyone and everyone is called to be a part of ministry somewhere. All jobs in ministry are important as it is designed by God to be a servant and save lives. God gave us so much, but how much do we give Him in return?
I found that website too and wondered about it. I have mixed feelings and have stayed away so far. I'm still unclear about the whole healing from wounds of the past issue. I've tried to go to counseling off and on since I was a teenager, and just have not stuck with it. It seems there are things that keep getting in the way of me using counseling, christian or secular, to get my healing. I've been quite frustrated and stressed about it. Nothing seems to open up as an option for me. So I feel forced to wait on God.
I do think we need to be careful about the different types of so called christian counseling/healing methods. Particularly if they are using guided imagery, visualizations, and such. I'm leery of those things. I know that Jesus said He came to fulfill Isaiah 61...to bind up the broken hearted and set captives free (Luke 4:18-21). The Bible is not clear about the issue of abuse and trauma from childhood affecting us into adulthood, not like we have learned about it now.
There are those in the christian church who believe that once you are saved, "old things passed away, all things become new" and that the past is part of the stuff that is passed away, and frankly, I find myself quite peeved when they quote that. I think that scripture is taken out of context, particularly when talking about wounds of the heart from past abuse/trauma. But I still have much to learn since I have not received my healing yet, although some insist that I have...ugh. I'm waiting on God.
"Do not fear, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are Mine!...I am the Lord, your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior;...You are precious and honored in my eyes, and I love you...do not be afraid, for I am with you." (Is.43:4-5)
I'm struggling with my past as well. I taken medication for my mental state. I have been to rehab for a mental evaluation. Seem's the more i search, the more thing's get harder for me. Although, i know that i know that i know that there is a God, i continue to hold on to that hope. My wound's are still healing from alot of damage that has been done to me. I don't blame everyone, as i am to blame as well for my hurt. I don't consider myself as a christian as i once did. I prefer the word "Spiritual". I have however learn so many things through people. And when all else fails? My joy, are kids'. I love kids, always have and always will. I don't have kids' of my own though. Hmmmmm, sometimes i wish i was a kid again.Honestly, i don't ask for much. I find the lil things to matter the most. Tell you this much, i will stand my ground about my past and my healing. Some reason i feel like i need to defend that. Anyhoo, i just needed to vent a lil.
Theophostic techniques involve visualizing yourself reliving the things that have happened, but also seeing the presence of God. They have been around for a long long time. They help a lot of people and are used by many Christian counselors.
That this person claims to have trademarked the term and is trying to monetize it is highly disturbing. I think the temple is infested with moneychangers again :(