Masturbation my Preciousssss

Myyyyy Preciousssss...
The soul warping effects of masturbation... and how to live without it.

By Mike Genung

Note: this is written from a man's perspective, and I know that women struggle with masturbation as well. The principles shown here apply either way.

       One of the most fascinating characters in the Lord of the Rings movies is Gollum. Like Frodo, Gollum is a hobbit whose original name was Sméagol. Hobbits are stout people with elf-like faces who stand half the height of men; they enjoy good company with hearty beer in the local pubs, as did Sméagol… until he saw "the one ring to rule
them all.”
         In his book “The Two Towers,” Tolkien describes the origin of the ring:

“And much of the strength and will of Sauron passed into that One Ring; for the power of the Elven Rings was very great, and that which should govern them must be a thing of surpassing potency; and Sauron forged it in the Mountain of Fire in the Land of Shadow. And while he wore the One Ring he could perceive all the things that were done by means of the lesser rings, and he could see and govern the very thoughts of those that wore them.”

         Sauron was the evil dark lord who sought to rule all of middle earth, and it was the One Ring that changed Smeagol's life.
         When “The Return of the King” opens we see Sméagol as a young adult, river fishing in a boat with his cousin Deagol. A big fish hits Deagol's line and pulls him into the river; he spots the shimmering gold ring at the bottom of the riverbed, grabs it, and quickly surfaces. Sméagol sees the ring in Deagol's hand, is immediately entranced by it, and asks his cousin to give him the ring “for his birthday present”. But when Deagol refuses, the two friends fight over it, and Sméagol strangles his cousin to death.
         Obsessed with the ring, Smeagol leaves everything he knows and retreats alone to the Misty Mountains. His new home is now a dark, cold, damp cave, quite a departure from the warm cottage normal Hobbits live in. But none of this matters now; the ring is Sméagol’s comfort and friend, his most precious possession.  
         Blinded by obsession, Sméagol couldn't see how the ring was changing him. In his isolation he turns "outside in" and his personality splits in half; in the movie we see Smeagol talking and fighting with himself as often as he does with Frodo and Sam. He gives up beer, a thing unheard of for a hobbit, and lives on raw fish. He shrivels up physically, losing most of his teeth and all but a few strands of his hair. His voice becomes a raspy hiss and he rarely smiles, except when caressing his "precious.” The warped half of Smeagol's personality overtakes him, and he becomes Gollum, a name earned from the hard swallowing noises he makes. 
          Like Gollum, today there are many who obsess about a different kind of precious. They discover masturbation in their youth, and it's something they must have so they retreat often to isolation to be alone with the precious. They don't see what it's doing to them until later when they sense there's something wrong...

In his 1994 book “The Sexual Man”, Dr. Archibald Hart surveyed some 600 Christian men on the subject of masturbation. Of the married men who responded, 61% said they masturbated, with 82% saying they did it once a week. 96% of single men under the age of 20 admitted to a masturbation habit.
         Since so many Christian men are having sex with themselves you’d think they liked doing it, but in Dr. Hart's survey only 23% gave "enjoyment" as a reason for doing it. The rest said “from habit,” “because of their sex drive,” “they were addicted to it,” or from “lack of an outlet for sex” as the reason they engaged in masturbation.
         In a weird twist, only 13% said they thought masturbation was a normal act, yet 97% said they didn't feel guilty about it. (Gollum's split personality comes to mind here.) How could this be? From experience I know my conscience is seared when I do something repeatedly that I don’t feel good about. Could it be there are many men who would rather do without self-sex but don’t know how to stop?
         Yet, if so many normal Christian men are having sex with themselves is it really hurting anything? Is masturbation just a harmless act of physical release?
         As we know from cigarette smoking and overeating, to know whether something is harmful we must look at how it affects the user and those around him. Of course, for spiritual guidance we always look to God's word. In this chapter we'll do both, beginning with the effects of masturbation. 

From my teenage years until I was 36, self sex was a part of my life (I got married at age 26). Like the others who responded to Dr. Hart's survey I don't think I could have said enjoyment was why I did it; the emotional hangover lasts much longer than the pleasure, sometimes for days. When the act was over there was always a strong sense that something was missing.
         Sex is about connection and communication, spirit-to-spirit communion with the person we love. When I masturbated there was no other person, so an emotional misfire took place. Instead of bonding with another in warmth, intimacy and love, I was haunted by loneliness, isolation and shame. 
         There isn't anything about masturbation that fits. When I tried to disconnect the spiritual from the physical, telling myself I needed masturbation just for physical release, I still felt empty afterwards. The spiritual component of sex can't be separated from the physical.
         Masturbation messed up my marriage bed. I didn’t struggle with premature ejaculation, but I could have pleased my wife a lot longer than I did (today after not having masturbated since 1998 it's different). It's no accident when sex between husband and wife is a short story; it's what the husband trains himself to do when he masturbates.
         The man who masturbates robs his wife of himself. She wants emotional and physical intimacy, not just a rush to the finish line. She wants to know him, and for him to hold her, commune with her and cherish her, not use her like a plaything. She wants to enjoy his company, like two best friends having a good meal.
        Masturbation stunted my emotional growth. Opening up with my wife on a deeper level got harder as time went on, to the point where it felt like I was running from her at times. I'd spent so much time in isolation that I felt trapped inside; yet I was the one holding myself hostage.
        Like Gollum, I was blind to what my precious was doing to me. I was self and sex obsessed, driven by urges. If I couldn't have my precious I got angry, anxious or depressed. Sex was my god, comfort and love; the source of life.  
         I think the worst part was the separation from the Lord I experienced when I made a few seconds of pleasure my source of life and acceptance. I knew Jesus had living water that could fill my soul, but I “drank from myself” instead (sounds a little sick doesn’t it?) I grieved the Lord with my choice to make self sex my comfort.     
         Of course, the other obvious problem with masturbation is that many men use it with pornography, and/or they run sexual fantasies in their mind during the act. From Jesus’ words in Matthew 5:28 we know this is sin, mixing self-sex with lust. 
         Let’s turn our attention to God’s word now and see what He might say about masturbation. What I hear the most from other Christians about masturbation is it's ok “because it’s not in the Bible.” But, if “thou shalt not” is the standard for whether something is sin or not then we can light up a joint because there is no “thou shalt not smoke pot” in the Bible.
         “Hey wait a minute!” you say. “It’s obvious smoking marijuana is a sin because of the verses in the Bible prohibiting drunkenness, and smoking pot clearly violates this principle in God’s word!”
         I agree; we need to look at the principles in God’s word as well as the Thou Shalt Nots. Let’s examine a few of those principles.

Principle #1:  The only time when sex is sanctioned in God's word is in the context of a marriage between one man and one woman. In Genesis 2 we read “For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh”. Note the “two becoming one” emphasis - that connection-communion thing again.  

 In Hebrews 13:4 we read:
          Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be
          undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

Here again, the marriage bed is the sole context given for God sanctioned sex.
          Now, carefully read this verse:

Yet I wish that all men were even as I myself am (single). However, each man has his own gift from God, one in this manner, and another in that. But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is good for them if they remain even as I. But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
1 Corinthians 7:7-9

 If masturbation was a viable outlet for expressing sexual burning, wouldn’t God have had Paul write something like this: "But if they do not have self-control, let them masturbate or marry; for it is better to have sex with self or marry than to burn with passion?"  Masturbation is never mentioned as a legitimate means for fulfilling sexual desire in God's word; marriage is the only outlet given. Or, put another way, masturbation isn't in the Bible. 

The one man/one woman connection is developed again in the following verses: 

Food is for the stomach and the stomach is for food, but God will do away with both of them. Yet the body is not for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord is for the body. Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take away the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? May it never be! Or do you not know that the one who joins himself to a prostitute is one body with her? For He says, "The two shall become one flesh." But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him. Flee sexual immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral man sins against his own body.  Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.

1 Corinthians 6:13,15-20

 Note how “the body… is for the Lord,” “your bodies are member of Christ,” “But the one who join himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him,” and “your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit,” are weaved in with the prohibitions against immoral sex, highlighting the importance of spirit to spirit communion. As God's children we are one spirit with Him and He lives in the temple of our bodies. We'll come back to this.

 Principle #2: Masturbation is never offered as a way to deal with       depression or find comfort.

When Elijah fell into depression after Jezebel vowed to kill him we don’t read “and Elijah the prophet of the Lord masturbated to comfort himself.” Sex with self isn’t our comfort, instead -  

 Principle #3:  We are to receive our comfort from Christ

…Who comforts us in all our affliction so that we will be able to comfort those who are in any affliction with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God.
2 Corinthians 1:4

 Principle #4: We are to be the master of our bodies and their accompanying  urges; we don't allow our flesh to rule over us.

But I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.
I Corinthians 9:27

Beloved, I urge you as aliens and strangers to abstain from fleshly lusts
which wage war against the soul.
1 Peter 2:11

All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything.
1 Corinthians 6:12

"For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, not in lustful passion like the Gentiles who do not know God…
1 Thessalonians 4:3-5

We are to “discipline our bodies and make them our slaves,” “know how to posses our bodies in sanctification and honor,” and we’re not to be “mastered by anything.” We are to control our fleshly impulses, not be led by them. We are to be men with strong hearts; men of courage who can stand firm in the storms and temptations of life. If we can't say no to pleasure, it reveals a soft, vulnerable spot in our character, which the forces of darkness will exploit until we deal with it.  
          Our culture bombards us with messages like, “if it feels good, do it now,” and, “you deserve a break today.” If you’re sexually aroused, hey just feed the impulse, it won’t hurt anything. Go ahead… have sex with yourself or anyone you want. God’s way and our culture’s message are at war with each other. The world tells us to obey our urges while God tells us to master and control them. It’s Instant Gratification vs. Self Discipline; a passive man weakened from pleasure vs. a strong man of character who can say no; “It’s all about me” vs. “I will have sex with no one but my wife;” Softheart vs. Braveheart.
          Let’s stack up the scales for and against masturbation and see which one holds the most weight:
The bad and the ugly:                               The good:
No connection with another                          It feels good for a few seconds
Loneliness                                                  Can have orgasm on demand
Shame                                                      Can do it alone      
Robs wife emotionally and physically               Don’t need to please your wife
Places wedge between God and self               No more lack of sex outlet problem
Promotes instant gratification mentality          Won’t lose hair and teeth like Gollum
Promotes “It’s all about me”                          Can feed sex obsession  
Violates marriage alone principle
Violates comfort from Christ principle
Violates mastery of flesh principle
Softens the character
Is used as a counterfeit substitute for love

The scale’s a little heavy on the left, don’t you think?

Maybe you’re reading this and thinking, “OK, I want live without masturbation, but how do I stop? I’ve tried before and the urges always overwhelm me.”

1. First, let’s be honest: this won’t be easy, especially if masturbation is an ingrained habit. Dealing with our sexuality doesn’t mean we deny it, stuff it, or put on a phony Good Christian Who Never Gets Horny act. We do have these desires, and it’s not always easy to say no. 

 2. When sexual desire hits, remember that sex is about connection with another; you are one spirit with the Lord and He dwells in your temple, and He waits for you to come to Him. Instead of misfiring with masturbation, boldly approach Abba at the Throne of Grace for His strength and comfort (Hebrews 4:16). Look at His face and expose the struggle in your flesh to Him. Drink deeply of His Living water and soak in His presence.

3. The first few months are always the toughest and there will be times when you need help to make it. (You are involved with a group or have at least one accountability partner by now, right?) When you're overwhelmed, get on the phone with a brother as quickly as possible and ask him to pray with you. I’ve been the recipient of many phone calls like this, and the temptations are always cut down to size after we pray together. 

4. Be aware of situations going on behind the scenes that add to the battle, such as an inordinate amount of stress, unconfessed sin, or an unresolved relationship (perhaps with your spouse.) Do what you need to do now to resolve these issues.

5. Don’t let failure get you down; learn from your mistakes and move on. Failure is a teacher; learn from it, make adjustments and keep going. The forces of darkness love to pound us with thoughts of despair and hopelessness; don't buy into it.

 6. Remember that sex is not life; Jesus is (I am the way, the truth and the life. John 14:6). You don't need sex. Solo ejaculation is a quick shot of pleasure that will leave you miserable, empty and lonelier than you were before. Sex isn’t love, it's the expression of love to your spouse. Put sex in its proper perspective. 

 7. Physical fitness plays a big part in the battle. You should be vigorously exercising several times a week, and I don’t mean walking around the block. Personally I like to work out with weights; it’s a great stress reliever and I sleep better. If I don't work out for a few days I feel like a full can of coke that's been shaken and ready to explode. Eating too many comfort foods (ice cream, sweets, packaged foods) is using food for pleasure and will feed the instant gratification mentality you're trying to silence. 

 8. Your character will grow stronger every time you say no to instant gratification. Be persistent and never say die; in time you will become the master of your body.

9. Every marriage goes through an occasional period of time where sex dries up. My wife has been pregnant 3 times since 1999, and after the fifth month of pregnancy she doesn’t want sex. It’s uncomfortable for her and she’s self-conscious about her appearance. Counting her recovery time from three C-sections this means I’ve had about 21 months of celibacy in the past 5 years. I had three choices as to how I could have dealt with this:

 A. Masturbate. No way, precious.

 B. I could have pulled out 1st Corinthians 7:5 (that stop depriving one another verse) and hit her with a manipulative guilt trip. We still wouldn’t have had sex and I would have driven us further apart; I would have been stuck in resentment for what I couldn't have, and she would have resented me for not seeing her situation with an understanding heart. We both lose.

 C. I could have chosen death: 

 "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her..."
Ephesians 5:25

 Jesus is saying we must be willing to die for our wives just as He died for us. In marriage there will be times when we need to allow our right to sex to be crucified for a little while. Just as Jesus approached Jerusalem determined to die, so there are times where we must choose death so our spouses can live.
          Death is painful, and putting what we want up on the cross is neither easy nor pleasant. To sleep next to the one woman in the universe I could have sex with and hold back for a period of months was a struggle. There were times where I found myself pulling away from her emotionally and I had to remind myself that (1) our marriage wasn’t just about sex, (2) Michelle was my best friend, and (3) she was going through a lot of physical discomfort being pregnant. My clay pot weakness kept me on my knees drawing strength from the Lord, and I shared my struggles with my brothers who would bless me by praying for my wife and me.
        As all things come to an end so did our period of marital celibacy. When it did end I was able to come back to my wife with confidence, knowing I had not been setting our marriage up for more problems by masturbating (and it would have opened me up to the temptation to use porn to “spice it up”).
       Understand, I am not saying a wife should purposely withhold sex from her husband, and he should passively say “ok” if she does this. Marriage is the fireplace where the flames of sexual desire should be fanned into a glorious bonfire; they should never be snuffed out. The point is there will be times when your wife will go through emotional hardships, such as grieving a loss or encountering physical difficulties and you will both be blessed if you show her grace, understanding, and love instead of demanding your due.

Picture a church filled with an army of powerful men who say no to instant gratification and self-centered pleasure; they are warriors with strong hearts who stand firm in the culture of lust and, through the cracks of their weakness allow God’s grace to shine through them to others. They model strength, transparency and integrity to their families and love their wives as Christ called them to. This is the high standard we are challenged to aspire to.

       Or, you could hobble around hissing "the precioussss... I needs the preciousss..."

Excerpt from The Road to Grace; Finding True Freedom from the Bondage of Sexual Addiction. 
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What The Church Needs To Do

And by "the church" I am of course talking about EVERY SINGLE CHRISTIAN OUT THERE. We ALL need to take a strong stand against porn and masturbation, because if we honestly expect for masturbation to be done away with, then we MUST deal with the issue of pornography, and not just blow it off as "no big deal". It's that attitude that has gotten us in the mess we're in right now! If we HONESTLY expect for church buildings to be filled with mighty and valiant men of God, then we as the church need to start PRAYING for our fellow men of God to rise up and become the men that God has already created us to be, and again to not just blow off certain sins as "not that bad" just because we think that no one else sees us sin. How quickly we forget that God sees ALL we do.

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Masturbation and Compassion

I have written this essay in response to this post (Myyy Precioussss…) that Shelley posted in 2008. I am assuming it still stands as a principle of her ministry. This article is a Christian, blanket discouragement/prohibition against masturbation for ALL human beings including singles, teens and the widowed. I like Shelley. I truly do. If even a fraction of what she says about the US porn industry is true (allowing for the natural bias of personal agenda) the issue of cruelty within said industry MUST be addressed at all costs. When an impoverished woman is asked to endure brutal sexual acts for the camera, and told by producers and directors that she will never work (earn) again if she doesn’t comply, that IS coercion, leading to compromised consent. In short – it’s a form of cruelty, rape and terrorism! I can relate to her testimony, but only to a minor degree. I live in England and I was a male stripper, adult movie performer and escort over an 11 year period. It is an occupation riddled with problems and abuse – primarily from the people of the General Public. Stripping was horrendous, although I can’t say that I experienced or witnessed any form of abuse on a porn set. Had I done so, I would have got both myself and the female victim out of there without delay. But at what point does this heinously extreme view of masturbation NOT become cruelty and terrorism on the opposite end on the scale? When I was 16, I was an impressionable teenager who was lonely. I was taken in by a Pentecostal Church near to my home who introduced me to the Bible and to Jesus. They taught me the doctrine of hell, and the idea that if I became born again, I would be saved from it. A sign that I was reborn, I was told, was that I would no longer feel the need to masturbate. By now, my hormones were raging. I would pray, in my terror of hell, that Jesus would deliver me from masturbation, but the urges persisted with a vengeance. I attempted to suppress those urges with pain by mutilating my arms with a razor blade, but it was futile. I lost sleep at night thinking that if the urges were still there, that meant I wasn’t ‘born again’ and so I was bound for hell. I wanted to commit suicide but was afraid of doing so for fear of going straight to a place of eternal torture. I petitioned God to reach back in time and prevent me from ever being conceived. Clearly, he didn’t honour that request. Ultimately, I suffered a nervous breakdown at the age of 17. I can only imagine how terrible it is for believers who are gay – sentenced to a lifetime with no sexual outlet of any kind – whatever! For this reason, I appeal to Christian ministries around the world to stop this cruelty once and for all! It is my learned and experienced opinion that this teaching is evil, primitive, sadistic, opportunistic, predatory and without any merit whatsoever. Masturbation has a natural, biological cause – a series of hormones known as androgens! An adolescent will begin to masturbate before he/she even knows what masturbation is. The hormones kick in and suddenly this strange urge strikes. It happens for a reason. Humans are genetically hard-wired for orgasm, which is how human life continues. Repression of it indefinitely will also result in detrimental health issues. Studies show that abstinence can result in increased stress (climax lowers stress and blood pressure) which leads to heart disease – the world’s greatest killer! Orgasm has been shown to boost immune system function and is highly effective in the treatment of migraines. There is also medical evidence that proves long-term retention of semen increases the risk of prostate cancer. A 1997 study at the Queens University in Belfast (among others) concluded that regular orgasms significantly increased longevity. Is it any wonder that nature gives us this overwhelming urge – one that is so powerful, it is almost never conquered even by the most zealous of Christians? Pornography will aggravate it, of that there is no doubt – however, it is not the root cause of it. Masturbation is purely biological in nature. All that this doctrine has ever resulted in is the torment of innocent people with unwarranted guilt and hadephobia (the fear of hell) and extremely busy psychiatrists. Guilt can arise from masturbation – but only because the religious influences of our culture instils it within. Guilt over masturbation is not natural – it is acquired! The body is biologically conditioned to respond to self stimulation. It is an inherent instinct. Indeed, sex is a relational experience – as eating can be. To say that orgasm absolutely MUST only be shared with a partner is like saying that a person shouldn’t eat unless they have someone to dine with. The idea that a person cannot become intimate with another if they masturbate is absurd. That would mean that 99.9999% of the human population sexually dysfunctional. And yet we now live in a world plagued by unprecedented overpopulation. I have masturbated all of my adult life. I have never had a problem with giving a woman pleasure (I am proud to say that I own testimonials to that effect) and today I have lived for seven years with a wonderful woman whom I cherish and thoroughly enjoy sexually pleasing. I can only speak for myself, but I average about five orgasms a week between masturbation and sexual intercourse. Today, I work as a variety performer, a body builder and athlete and I enjoy a loving home life. So why would anybody attempt to pressure me and others into torturing ourselves in this sadistic way? I fail to see how the suggestion that teens and single people should abstain from masturbation isn’t a contender for the single most sadistic doctrine in the known universe. It is to deny ANY form of sexual outlet to those who need it the most – to those whose androgen levels are 20 times normal and to those who are lonely – to literally sentence them to a torment where they should strive to turn their own bodies into instruments of hormonal torture. Why would loving individuals wish to do that to their own brothers and sisters under the sun? If masturbation (in males) is abstained from for long enough (around 21 days – after the necrotic cells have had time to release carcinogenic toxins around the prostate gland) it will be expelled in the night to the accompaniment of an involuntary erotic dream. Ejaculation is a bio-cerebral connection. This is how sexuality works, which is why people are drawn to sexual imagery. The Christian God cannot morally give us life independent of our own request, shape us this way and then throw all of the rules in opposition to that design, under the threat of hell fire to any who dare to disagree. At least – not a God of love, compassion and great kindness. Matthew 5:28 (adultery and looking at a woman lustfully) is often quoted as the endorsement of criminalizing sexual thoughts, but in its historical context, it is actually a re-iteration of the tenth commandment – do not covet your neighbours property (his wife.) In our civilization, we no longer view women as property, just as we don’t accept slavery as moral (as Jesus apparently did.) It is also worth remembering that during biblical times, men married at an age considerably below today’s age of consent. It is unconscionable for a person, (especially one who is married,) to suggest that single people must have no sexual outlet whatsoever and suffer it indefinitely, until they marry, which today can often be into their thirties, if ever. No one person is guaranteed a partner. Such unions are the result of chance and can depend on many factors: financial, self-confidence and in some cases – whether or not they are attractive enough to be appealing to another. It really is THAT brutal. However, the libido IS guaranteed and it will show a single person no mercy! Relief is solely in his/her own hands. It is also worth considering that Jesus went on to recommend castration in Matthew Ch.19:12. Despite apologists attempts to retranslate this to mean simply ‘permanent celibacy’ (which is even crueller) the exact translation from the original Greek concludes that the word ‘eunuch’ is clear and unambiguous. St. Paul’s doctrine on people not ‘being mastered’ by their own bodies is clearly an extremist point of view. We are mastered by food, are we not? Yet some have clearly managed to overcome it. Fashion catwalks around the globe are full of these amazing success stories! But is it healthy? As aforementioned, there are serious health risks to overcoming masturbation also. Masturbation can become compulsive for some – of that there is no doubt. There are those who cannot get on with anything in life because they spend all of their time in the bathroom, but these people are very few and far between if you take them as a percentage of the overall populace. The same goes for people who eat compulsively to the extent that it causes obesity, high blood pressure and ultimately, an early death. Does that mean that every single one of us must abstain from food and become anorexic? Despite the Christian claim that orgasm is for marriage only, I would like to remind them that St. Paul, the founder of Christianity as it is today, suggested that he wished for us all to remain unmarried as he was – going on to cite marriage as the refuge of those who were spiritually weaker. (1 Corinthians 7: 7-9.) None of us would even be here to debate this issue if Paul had had his wish. Let us be thankful for the ‘weak.’ Incidentally, take account of the fact that when Paul said: ‘Take a wife, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion,’ a woman’s consent to being ‘taken’ was not considered to be a factor in that culture. For the most part, it still isn’t! Add to that his repeated preaching that people should flee all sexual desire and ‘deaden their bodily members to their passions’ (Colossians 3:5). These passages are, inarguably, encouragements of global genocide. The author Mike Genung even suggest that all pleasant-tasting food should be avoided. With that we can conclude that this unconditionally loving God chose to give us taste buds, in fact an array of pleasure-sensory nerve endings all across our bodies – only to then tell us we must deny all of them and embrace pain and suffering instead. I do have much more to say on the matter, but if anybody would like to peacefully discuss it – or even if they would like an alternate point of view to discuss their struggle with, I am more than happy to continue this thread. I can also be contacted at jessemach1@yahoo.com In peace, love and reason Peter